The following dialogue is with the Doctor of Psychology David Fontana (lBritish Psychologial Society member) and Dr. Gallegos with regard to subject of the spiritual journey: in this dialogue is a topic that is on the conditioning that takes place since we are children, Fontana mentions that the conditioning originates through rewards, although you have to reach the appropriate time so that the child need to see the reasons for doing thingsbecause you don’t know about the rewards and is when there should be a freedom with respect to the conditioning and there should be, as he says Fontana a knowledge of the reasons for our behavior to choose the correct actions. The Jungian model deals with the collective unconscious, which is the psychological part of our life with which we are born and that most importantly, is not subject to constraints and that besides are born already formed things. Fontana questioned about why we suffer? It is an existential question and Buddha often tried to answer and he said there are three reasons for suffering: attachment, aversion and ignorance. Also Buddha gives us the key to distance ourselves from suffering, that is: destroy the suffering if we practice not attachment, if we practice wisdom instead of ignorance and acceptance rather than rejection or aversion. Dr. Gallegos refers to the real transformation of our true nature is always here and now, that we must not think in the future or in the past, to what Fontana talks about the concept of impermanence, which shows us that everything changes, nothing remains equal.
Sheri R. Klein (Ph.d. in education. Professor in the Department of education at the University of Wisconsin) converses with Dr. Gallegos on: sacred space. It is very important to have a sacred space in the spiritual experience as Dr. Gallegos, says that this would help us to a comprehensive learning; currently only prepares students academically and a true education of the totality of being, is not given as Sheri says.